MMO: You 
            founded FEMALE— now known as Mothers & More— 
            in 1987. What was happening in your life— and what societal 
            conditions were you aware of— that made you feel the timing 
            was right to bring mothers together in this way? What was your model? 
            J. Brundage: Well, there was no vision, no comparative analysis, no strategic 
              plan that drove me to start a group called FEMALE (Formerly 
                Employed Mothers At Loose Ends) in the summer of 1987. It was 
              pure personal desperation on my part, after being home full-time 
              for a year with a very crazy, colicky infant and wondering if I’d 
              ever find another mother who was home and not in a total state of 
              bliss about it— someone who shared the ambivalence, the grieving, 
              and the guilt over the grieving I felt about leaving the paid workplace 
              to be home with my children. 
            Even though I wasn’t a “fast-tracker” and didn’t 
              think of my 10 years working as a letter carrier as a “career,” 
              I had never intended to leave my job to be home with my kids. I 
              loved my job and being economically self-sufficient meant a lot 
              to me. 
            In fact, when Zach was born in June of 1986, I’d been a “working 
              mom” for over six years. I’d returned to a 40-45 hour-a-week 
              work schedule after a 13-week-leave after our daughter Kerry was 
              born in late 1979 and felt everything was going great, at home and 
              at work.  
            But by then I didn’t have the same childcare options and 
              Zach had his own agenda, was a child only a parent could love, and 
              we were unsuccessful at finding a home daycare provider who we felt 
              could care for him as we would, given his constant crying/never 
              sleeping/having to be in constant motion (rocking, strolling, swinging, 
              whatever). 
            The late ‘80s was really the zenith of the “Super Woman” 
              era, where we all were told, and believed, that we should make the 
              bacon, fry it up in the pan, make sure our husband felt like a man…and 
              be great moms. Even though at that time, the ratio of moms in the 
              paid workplace and home full-time was almost 50/50, culturally, 
              there was no such thing as “staying home” and certainly 
              no concept of “sequencing” (hence, the “formerly 
              employed” in our original name). Once you left the paid workplace, 
              you left for good— you were permanently retired, your goose 
              was cooked. So when I quit, I really did feel it was the death of 
              my life as a “working” woman. And not only did I feel 
              a sense of personal failure and loss, but I also felt I had let 
              down the sisterhood; that I just couldn’t cut it, and that 
              my actions just confirmed what employers suspected all along: women 
              just can’t cut it. 
            But once I resigned, I also felt a great sense of betrayal. Where 
              was the feminist movement for me now? Why didn’t my spouse 
              and I have the option to job share (we both worked in the same post 
              office) so we both could continue to work and care for our kids? 
              Why weren’t there more childcare options for me from the largest 
              employer in the country, the US Postal Service? I was angry. And 
              after going through months of private emotional turmoil, I became 
              determined to find a way to deal with my new life.  
            Since therapy wasn’t an option (we were dead broke after 
              I quit), I started looking around to see if there was a support 
              group for someone like me. I took out a book from the local library 
              about women’s groups, hoping to find a group in the listings. 
              Alas, the closest thing was the Displaced Homemakers Association 
              (for women compelled, after a spousal disability or death, or divorce, 
              to re-enter the workforce after years at home). The book also gave 
              suggestions for how to start your own group, which seemed to be 
              my last resort. My initial goal in starting a group, though, was 
              simply to find one or two other women who understood and shared 
              what I was feeling. 
            MMO: Over time, how 
              have the goals of the organization changed? Do you think social 
              and economic conditions that effect mothers have also changed since 
              the group was founded? Has the composition of the organization’s 
              membership also changed over the years? 
            J. Brundage: Once we got started, the group grew very quickly and almost effortlessly. 
              We started in August of 1987, in my living room, with just four 
              women. When we put a small blurb in the women’s section of 
              the Chicago Tribune in late December, we got calls from 
              64 women in 48 hours, from all over the Chicagoland area. And when 
              a letter to the editor describing the group was published in the 
              March 1988 issue of Ms. Magazine, we grew to hundreds of 
              members, across the country and beyond, literally overnight. Clearly, 
              we had touched on an unfulfilled need. 
            And in connecting with so many mothers across so many miles, it 
              became almost immediately apparent to all of us that the issues 
              we were dealing with were more than personal issues; that our society 
              and culture had a lot to do with what we were grappling with. It 
              really brought home the saying “the personal is political.” 
              By the time we filled our incorporation papers as a not-for-profit 
              in April of 1988, our stated purpose already integrated support 
              with advocacy. It stated that FEMALE’s purpose was as “a 
              support group for women who have interrupted their careers to raise 
              their families and as an advocacy group for employment and family issues.” 
            The goals of the organization over the past 17-plus years haven’t 
              changed, really, though we have worked over time to better articulate 
              them. But we have been more successful at providing support services 
              to mothers than at defining and advocating for societal change. 
              I think this is, in part, because Mothers & More was well ahead 
              of its time in thinking about the new “problem with no name” 
              that centered on mothers as a group. We struggled for years to define 
              our issues— we knew that such things as improved childcare 
              or FMLA just didn’t quite suffice as the answers to the problems 
              we “felt” but could not quite articulate.  
            However, the organization, from the beginning, has always attracted 
              the interest of the media (not your typical moms’ group, obviously) 
              and so we have always worked at and been fairly successful at partnering 
              with the media to bring mothers’ issues into the public discussion. 
              And, happily, with ground breaking books hitting the shelves in 
              recent years, starting with Unbending Gender by Joan Williams 
              in 2000 and The Price of Motherhood by Ann Crittenden in 
              2001, the issues we have worked to define are finally coming into 
              sharper focus, and our culture is beginning to catch up with Mothers 
              & More.  
            In addition to these issues being better conceptualized and brought 
              to the fore, there have been other external changes over the years. 
              Now, the concept of sequencing is much more widely known and embraced. 
              The public discussion about women, work and family has definitely 
              and significantly changed. I only wish our paid workplace practices 
              and our public policies had changed in relation to these issues 
              as well. They haven’t. 
            Most interesting and apparent to me, today’s new mothers 
              are a different generation, with different priorities and expectations, 
              than the moms who first joined Mothers & More (then FEMALE). 
              Today’s “Gen-X” moms— who are the majority 
              of our members now— are markedly different from the “Boomer” 
              moms of our organization’s first generation. They are more 
              skeptical of feminism and, at the same time, have higher expectations 
              about being able (indeed, being entitled) to find the work/family 
              balance they want and need. But, I think today’s mothers are 
              even more likely to be blind sided by what Joan Williams has coined 
              “the motherhood wall,” because, unlike their Boomer 
              big sisters, up until they became mothers, these women did not experience 
              significant obstacles in higher education or in the workplace. Many 
              thought the feminist movement had leveled the playing field and 
              its work was done. But, this generation is also more self determining 
              and not as inclined to consider themselves political or part of 
              a movement. This is one of our challenges to mobilizing mothers 
              to come together as a group to advocate for change. 
            In terms of general 
              demographics, however, our membership has been amazingly stable. 
              Our typical member, from Day One, has been a mother in her mid-thirties, 
              with 2 children 5 years and under, living in a metropolitan area, 
              middle to upper middle family income, well educated and having had 
              a significant commitment to a paid career before children. The only 
              thing that has recently shifted is current workplace participation. 
              In all our member surveys, from 1989 through 1998, our membership 
              broke out, two thirds currently home full time, one third participating 
              in the paid workplace in some capacity (primarily something less 
              than full-time, full-year). But in our fall 2004 Member Survey, 
              that percentage shifted to 55 percent home full time, 45 percent 
          working for pay. 
          MMO: In 2002, Mothers & More revised its mission statement 
            from “supporting sequencing women” and addressing “women’s 
            personal needs and interests during their active parenting years” 
            to “improving the lives of mothers through support, education 
            and advocacy.” Why?    
          J. Brundage: Just 
            as we gradually moved from a very distinct and detailed name to 
            a broader one (Formerly Employed Mothers At Loose Ends in 1987 to Formerly Employed Mothers At the Leading Edge in 1991 to Mothers & More in 2000), we have worked over the 
            course of years to refine our mission statement to better reflect 
            our work, beliefs and long term goals, and to give us more room 
            to move as the external environment changes.  
          In 2002, specifically, I think we felt that some of the terminology 
            in our mission statement lent itself to confusion (i.e., what, exactly, 
            is a sequencing woman? An at-home mom? A mother trying to re-enter 
            the workforce?? Members thought it was either one of these or something 
            entirely different) and some of it was limiting in its scope.  
          In addition, our mission statement at that time was very long, 
            wordy and overly detailed. So our goals were to clarify, simplify 
            and broaden, all at the same time. We went from an 81-word paragraph 
            mission statement to a 39-word, 2-sentence mission statement. We 
            also created a set of beliefs to provide more detail, but in a better 
            place and way.  
          We went through over six months of work, engaging our volunteer 
            leadership, local and national, and our membership overall, in this 
            refinement process.  
          The spirit of our mission remained intact, I believe, but was better 
            stated for all to understand. 
          MMO: Mothers 
            & More released the organization’s first formal advocacy 
            statement— the POWER Plan— in 2003. The Plan 
            spells out specific advocacy and direct action objectives, such 
            as advocating that “unpaid caregiving work” be acknowledged 
            as “equal in value to paid work” and “that the 
            value of unpaid caregiving work be considered and reflected in any 
            reforms to retirement savings plans, Social Security and disability 
            insurance,” as well as taking action to “support legislation 
            at the state and federal levels that ensures proportional pay, benefits 
            and advancement for part-time and contingent workers.” Why 
            doesn’t the Mothers & More advocacy agenda address other 
            policy issues that affect the well-being of mothers in the U.S., 
            such as guaranteed sick leave for all workers, access to affordable, 
            high quality child care, and paid parental leave? 
          J. Brundage: Actually, the POWER Plan was the second time we had formulated 
            and presented an advocacy statement and plan. The first time was 
            in May of 1999, where, in our member publication, Forum, 
            we rolled out a set of beliefs and a set of three action objectives. 
            There was a more focused emphasis on sequencing and sequencing mothers 
            in that first round (the article was entitled “FEMALE’s 
            Perspective on Sequencing Women’s Rights”), but much 
            of what was in that first “National Advocacy Plan” is 
            reflected in our current beliefs and in the POWER Plan. 
          But, just as with the clarification of our mission and beliefs, 
            we tackled the formulation of the POWER Plan in a very 
            deliberate, strategic, practical and member-involved way. Our Advocacy 
            Department team developed a detailed collection of criteria for 
            determining issue selection and support, which included alignment 
            with our mission and values as well as practical considerations 
            (for example, is the issue easy to understand and explain, are other 
            organizations working on it, would it resonate with our members, 
            etc.), economic considerations (how many/which groups of mothers 
            would it benefit and would there be economic downsides businesses 
            or taxpayers) and whether it would help shift cultural perceptions 
            and expectations about mothers and the work they do.  
          Initially, we identified 25 issues for consideration. Using the 
            criteria we’d developed, we went through several rounds of 
            evaluation and elimination until we were down to just seven (access 
            to affordable, high quality child care did not make the cut in this 
            process). These included expanding the child care tax credit so 
            that it covers more of the real costs of child care today, is refundable 
            and is directed toward the work of caregiving whether that care 
            is provided in the marketplace or is unpaid; inlcuding unpaid caregiving 
            work in the GDP accounts; providing credits in the Social Security 
            system for unpaid caregiving work; ending the exclusion of unpaid 
            caregivers from other social insurance programs such as disability 
            insurance, tax subsidized pension and retirement programs, and worker 
            training; expanding options for parents to obtain part-time work, 
            which might include restructuring tax law and incentives for employers 
            and mandating proportional pay, benefits and advancement for part-time 
            workers; relieving the payroll tax burden borne by secondary wage 
            and allowing married couples to file individually, which lowers 
            the tax burden on secondary wage earners and dual earner families; 
            and giving employees 6 or more weeks of paid leave for a birth, 
            adoption or family illness 
          We prepared issues briefs and presented them with an online member 
            survey, and members were asked to first read all the briefs, and 
            then answer the questions on the survey, based on their opinion 
            of the issue. The issues that bubbled to the top in this round were, 
            in order, part time work options, childcare tax credits, Social 
            Security reform and paid leave. 
          The POWER Plan was created not so much as a prioritized 
            laundry list of external issues that we would then immediately tackle, 
            one by one, however. Rather, it takes a broader perspective, delineating 
            how we will begin to translate our mission and beliefs into action, 
            and referencing these particular issues as opportunities we may 
            seize when the time is right. But first and foremost, this plan 
            took us to the next step in defining how and in which way we would 
            continue to educate and raise consciousness within and beyond the organization. 
                 
                MMO: What programs or 
                  projects do you have underway that support your current mission 
                  and advocacy goals?  
          J. Brudage: We have a number of active programs and projects that support our 
            mission and goals.  
          We have a national network of chapters that provide face-to-face 
            programs and activities to support, educate and advocate for mothers. 
            We also have a bimonthly member publication, Forum, which 
            contains features on the issues mothers face, personal and bigger 
            picture, personal essays from members about their daily life realities 
            and issues, and organizational news.  
          We have a website that contains a lot of information for the public 
            on not only on member 
              benefits, but also lots of information and articles about mothers’ 
            issues, and what Mothers & More is doing about them. We also 
            have a separate members only section where members can access additional 
            organizational information as well as view and apply for national 
            level volunteer staff positions. In fact, we consider our unpaid 
            staff opportunities and the virtual workplace we have created to 
            do our work to be a significant member benefit/opportunity. And 
            we have a separate website and 10 departmental email loops just 
            to facilitate that work and give our member staff resources and 
            professional development opportunities to do that work. 
          We also have over 20 member email loops, which are created and 
            moderated by members, in whatever areas of interest they want and 
            need. 
          In terms of advocacy-oriented programs and projects, we have one 
            very distinct member email loop, our “POWER Loop,” where 
            members across the country can discuss the meatier issues we all 
            face in society as caregivers. It is one of our most popular and 
            active loops. We often have guest speakers on that loop as well— 
            just about any author you could name that has written about mothers’ 
            issues in the recent years, such as Joan Williams, Ann Crittenden, 
            Faulkner Fox, Andi Buchanan, Judith Warner, Susan Douglas and Meredith 
            Michaels— and the list goes on and on. 
          We have something we call our “Apple Pie in the Face” 
            Award, which is an “honor” we bestow to entities from 
            time to time to call attention to acts that divide mothers or trivialize 
            the struggles mothers face in balancing caregiving with their other 
            needs and responsibilities. For instance, this award was given to 
            the Dr. Phil Show for doing a two-part show, Mom vs. Mom, 
            which pitted at-home moms against working moms, and to the marketing 
            and communications firm Euro RSCG Worldwide for its “Five 
            New Categories of Modern-Day Moms” which defined a whole new, 
            overwhelmingly negative and dismissive set of stereotypes that all 
            mothers presumably fit into. 
          Finally, we are just 
            about to go into our third annual Mother’s Day Campaign, which 
            is an event we hold every April and May to spotlight mothers’ 
            issues, hold local chapter activities around those issues, and encourage 
            mothers across the country— members and non-members alike— 
            to share their real stories with one another. This year’s 
            theme is “Mothers: the Real Story. It’s About Time,” 
            referring to the need to recognize that caregiving takes real time 
            and energy to perform, that we all need more and better options 
            to fit the time to care in with all the other things we have to 
            do, and that time spent caregiving should not carry unfair social 
            and economic penalties. And we’re very excited by a new campaign 
            activity this year: several mothers will be blogging about and during 
            the campaign, via our website. 
          MMO: As the founder and Executive Director of Mothers & More, you’ve 
            had a number of opportunities to interact with the media. In general, 
            do you feel mainstream media coverage of mothers’ issues is 
            fair and accurate?     
          J. 
            Brundage: Overall, I consider the media to be one of Mothers & More’s 
              most effective partners in giving voice to mothers’ issues. 
              And perhaps that is not all that surprising, given that so many 
              mothers work in journalism. These issues really resonate with many 
              of them and are of personal interest. They “get it” 
              because a lot of them live it. (In fact, on several occasions, journalists 
              who have written about Mothers & More subsequently joined as 
              members.) Overall, print media (including “virtual” 
              print) especially, and newspapers specifically, do a great job of 
              covering and accurately representing our issues and concerns.  
          And in the last couple years, the media inquiries Mothers & 
            More has received have been more and more focused on the meatier 
            issues concerning mothers. Our board president, Kristin Maschka, 
            has also been asked to give more and more radio interviews, again, 
            often to talk about the complexity of mothers’ issues.  
          The only medium that still falls short of the mark on a regular 
            basis is mainstream television. This seems to be the last bastion 
            of sensationalism, oversimplification and resistance to delving 
            into issues in any depth. And that is really too bad, because like 
            it or not, America is a TV viewing society. If the content and depth 
            in lots of the better print articles we’ve been involved with 
            ever made it on a TV show like Oprah, we might be talking tipping 
            point. But we’re not sitting by the phone, waiting for her 
            to call. 
          Once in awhile a news show or news magazine will do a fairly good 
            piece, but that’s the exception to the rule. And, other than 
            PBS, is there a single talk show that makes any attempt to deal 
            in depth with complex issues? And, not coincidentally, television 
            producers that are actually mothers themselves are few and far between. 
            Almost every producer I’ve ever talked with over the years 
            was a single, childless woman in her mid to late twenties. And no 
            wonder. Sounds like television production is a grueling, 24/7 job 
            itself— there’s no room for anyone who has caregiving responsibilities. 
          So, in a nutshell, fair and accurate? In print and radio, pretty 
            good. In television, no way. 
          MMO: In 
            her new book, Perfect Madness: Motherhood in the Age of Anxiety, 
            journalist Judith Warner describes Mothers & More as part of 
            a “burgeoning motherhood movement.” She also suggests 
            “Too much energy is being expended on seeking validation— 
            a recognition of mothers’ ‘value’… and of 
            motherhood as ‘the most important job in the world’.” 
            In your mind, is there a distinction between the “motherhood 
            movement” and the “mothers’ movement”? Are 
            the core beliefs and values of your organization “pro-motherhood,” 
            or “pro-mother”? 
          J. Brundage: It seems like there are two perspectives on mothers’ activism. 
            One is the motherhood-focused way, to position mothers’ work 
            as morally and spiritually superior and not to be sullied by comparisons 
            with market work. And at the same time, this perspective ties the 
            value of mothers’ work to judgments about the right and wrong 
            way to raise children, and focuses primarily on “what’s 
            best” for children. So, mothers are put on a pedestal at the 
            same time as they are valued only in relation to how much or how 
            well they “mother.” 
          Mothers & More takes a very different approach, which you might 
            call the “mothers’ movement” or “pro-mother” 
            approach. We do not assert that mothers have intrinsic value as 
            mothers, but rather, that the work they do as mothers, does. We 
            look at mothers’ unpaid caregiving work as equal in social 
            and economic value to market (paid) work and recognize mothers as 
            a group of individuals who pay unfair social and economic penalties 
            for doing this work.  
          We look at the work of caring for children as important societal 
            work that deserves tangible recognition and support from our public 
            policies, from workplace structures, from community support systems, 
            so that the individuals who do this work— primarily mothers— 
            have a fighting chance to accomplish their caregiving work along 
            with everything else they want and need to do to take care of themselves 
            and their families.  
          So, this is an important distinction and one that we, who desire 
            positive change in this area, must make clear.  
          To me, this is a painfully simple concept (which, however, is completely 
            counter to our cultural perceptions)— that unpaid caregiving 
            work is real work of great social and economic value. I believe 
            that if we all really and truly “got” that; believed 
            that, our society could not help but make a substantial shift to 
            a better place. Sort of like waking up one day and realizing the 
            world was round, not flat. Kind of changed everything. 
          MMO: What are some 
            of the challenges you’ve encounter in your efforts to mobilize 
            Mothers & More members to take action on their own behalf? What 
            are the predictable points of resistance, and how do you think they 
            can be overcome? Do you think it will ever be possible to get a 
            full-scale grass roots mothers’ movement off the ground?  
          J. Brundage: I’ve 
            touched a bit on that in my previous answers. As noted before, a 
            lot of our members feel that they are personally and completely 
            in charge of and responsible for their lives. And they are loathe 
            to accept any intimation that they may be “victims.” 
            So we’ve found that many members are open to sharing resources 
            and ideas for improving their lives, one mother at a time, but are 
            uncomfortable with the idea of advocating for themselves as a part 
            of a bigger group, or when that work may be considered “political,” 
            even if it’s just political with a small “p.”  
          Then, even among those members who acknowledge there are external 
            things that need fixing, many worry that tackling these issues will 
            create differences of opinion and friction within the membership. 
            Women don’t want to threaten the friendships with the women 
            they have met and bonded with. And a related issue, some members 
            just feel it’s “unseemly” to do or say anything 
            externally that may be perceived as negative or bitchy or whiney. 
            It’s one thing for members to share their “real stories” 
            with one another, but many members are not comfortable going public 
            with these feelings and experiences. 
          And then there’s that overall, deeply-ingrained cultural 
            “given” that I think we all share, consciously or unconsciously, 
            that mothers must be selfless and put themselves last. To do otherwise— 
            in other words, to advocate for one’s own needs at the same 
            time as we care for our children— is almost unthinkable. Somehow, 
            being a “good” mother and taking care of our own wants 
            and needs seem mutually exclusive. This is why, within Mothers & 
            More, we have spent a lot of time and energy on consciousness raising 
            (by reinforcing a positive message that you can be a loving mother 
            and still look out for yourself) over issues identification.  
          Still, our membership is in a decidedly different place in its 
            interest level in, awareness of and comfort with these issues than 
            just a couple of years ago. Many of us ask one another, “what 
            is the tipping point?” but none of us have come up with an 
            answer. Sometimes, I think we’re so close to this that we 
            just can’t see it. 
          If I didn’t think this grass roots movement was inevitable, 
            I wouldn’t be in this job. I’m in it for the long haul, 
            and so is Mothers & More. When I’m feeling pessimistic, 
            I think about Susan B Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton, who spent 
            most of their lives working to get women the vote, and didn’t 
            live to see the day. Yet, it did finally happen. Now, I am not so 
            patient that I’m okay with the possibility that I won’t 
            live to see this happen. But I am committed to continuing to work 
            on it as long as there’s breath in my body. And I am utterly 
            convinced it will happen. It has to. 
          MMO: In your opinion, 
            what’s the next big step for the mothers’ movement, 
            and what role will Mothers & More have in the movement’s future? 
          J. Brundage: Ah, the next big step! That’s the $64,000 question. I don’t 
            know what the next step will be. All I can say is, the wave just 
            continues to climb higher and higher. There is clear acceleration 
            in the number of books and articles and public dialog about this 
            new “problem with no name.” The public seems insatiable 
            for discussion and reflection about the state of mothers and motherhood. 
            Even some seemingly “fluffy” signs, such as the great 
            popularity of the TV show “Desperate Housewives” is 
            an indicator. And it is notable that an article like “The 
            Opt Out Generation” by Lisa Belkin in the New York Times got the most letters to the editor in response that the Times 
            has ever seen. Likewise, the recent Newsweek cover story 
            featuring Judith Warner’s new book, Perfect Madness, 
            received over 600 letters. Something is afoot and it’s only 
            growing bigger. 
          Our hope is that Mothers 
            & More is one of the drivers, if not the sole driver, of the 
            movement. We feel we are uniquely positioned, as the only nationally-coordinated 
            membership organization addressing the needs of mothers, to provide 
            the structure and the womanpower that will be needed to initiate, 
            support and sustain such an effort. As is clear from the way we 
            have made decisions in this area in the past few years, though, 
            we feel it is critical for this to happen from the bottom up rather 
            than the top down— as a grass roots initiative. But we would love to have some company in moving this forward, from 
            individuals and organizations. A social movement is bigger than 
            any single organization involved in it, no matter how central its 
            participation. 
          mmo : march 2005 
             
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