|   MMO: 
              In 2002, you organized a one-day Symposium on Maternal Feminism 
              in NYC, which was timed to coincide with the anniversary of the 
              founding of NOW. Women’s historians generally view “maternalism”— 
              women’s social activism to improve the welfare children and 
              families— and “feminism”— women’s 
              political activism to secure equal rights— as separate, and 
              sometimes conflicting, strains of women’s political engagement. 
              How do you see these disparate philosophies blending in the contemporary 
              movement to advance the status of mothers? 
            EA: 
              A 
              key objective of the symposium on maternal feminism was to create 
              a forum for mothers to reflect upon and learn from the lessons of 
              history, as we embark on a 21st century movement to advance the 
              status of mothers. We wanted to help minimize the chances of a maternalist/feminist 
              divide in the contemporary motherhood/mothers’ movement by 
              recalling the history of the women’s movement. 
            Mothers were a vital 
              part of the early women’s movement and many “maternalists” 
              worked side by side with "equal rights feminists." As 
              we noted in the Call to a Motherhood Movement, equal rights 
              for women and support for nurturing and for women who wish to be 
              nurturerers need not be at odds. Our goal is to help build a 21st 
              century motherhood/mothers’ movement that will “move 
              us all forward, building on the gains of the women’s movement 
              to extend equal rights to mothers and put mothers’ concerns 
              about children and nurturing at the top of the national agenda.” 
            MMO: 
              A number of feminist historians have argued that the maternalist 
              reform agenda during the late 19th and early 20th century had negative 
              consequences for mothers who were already disadvantaged by social 
              conditions, in that policy solutions endorsed by maternalist social 
              reformers served to institutionalize middle-class ideals about women’s 
              appropriate roles in the family and in society. Several scholars 
              have suggested that the well-being of working class and immigrant 
              mothers, and mothers of color, was actually reduced by some of the 
              public policies and cultural attitudes promoted by maternalist reformers. 
              How will a new agenda for maternal/feminist activism avoid similar 
              negative outcomes? 
            EA: 
              As a Black woman, I am keenly aware of the racial and class limitations 
              of the maternalist reform movements, as well as the equal rights 
              movement, for that matter. That is why we have taken such pains 
              -- and will continue to work hard— to build a diverse Mothers’ 
              Council and reach out to and listen to the voices of a wide variety 
              of mothers’ groups across the country.  
             It is also one reason 
              why we are undertaking a national study of the attitudes, values, 
              concerns, and needs of mothers in the United States. This comprehensive 
              study will combine focus groups with mothers throughout the country 
              and in-depth telephone interviews with a nationally representative 
              sample of mothers. 
            We will pay particular 
              attention to the needs and concerns of mothers of color, single 
              mothers, and mothers in immigrant, low income, and working poor 
              families. This study will broaden and deepen our collective understanding 
              of mothers’ priorities and concerns to help identify community 
              initiatives, and private and public policies that would best address 
              the diversity of needs of mothers across the socioeconomic spectrum. 
            MMO: 
              You’ve 
              stated that our society needs to realign so that the values of “the 
              mother world”— care, connection and nurturing— 
              are given greater priority. In practice, what would this look like?   
             EA: 
                As things now stand, our societal priorities are determined almost 
              exclusively by the forces of what sociologist Robert Bellah calls 
              the “money world”— work, immediate gratification, 
              speed, the profit motive, self-interest, and materialism. These 
              are the forces telling us and our children who we are and what matters 
              most in life— getting good grades to get good jobs to work 
              harder and harder to buy more and more things. 
            This is a culture which 
              increasingly treats people as means to ends rather than ends in 
              and of themselves. It is a shallow “work and consume” 
              culture in which we spend more and more time as workers and consumers 
              and less and less time as mothers, fathers, family members, neighbors, 
              and citizens. We and our children are working harder, getting less 
              sleep, reserving less time for leisure and family and civic life. 
            We have to find ways 
              to redefine success so that it does not mean how hard we work, how 
              much money we have, and how much we can buy. It must mean that we 
              use the money we have to take better care of ourselves, our children, 
              our families, our elders, and our neighbors, including the people 
              of our forgotten urban and rural communities who need our help. 
            A recalibration of the 
              values of the money world and the mother world would mean that, 
              as a society, we would work to live instead of live to work. To 
              begin with, it would mean that we would be less rushed, that our 
              personal and family lives would not be crowded into increasingly 
              smaller and smaller spaces in our days. It would mean, for example, 
              much more time for the hard work of forging and nurturing relationships, 
              passing on traditions, and teaching our children the values that 
              will help them be good friends and neighbors, good mothers and fathers. 
              It would mean that we had rearranged the priorities of our society 
              to treat people as ends in themselves, not as means or instruments 
              to other more important ends. 
            MMO: 
              Do you believe only mothers have an inherent capacity to 
              foster human growth through relationship and a shared ethic of care, 
              or do you imagine that this is something everyone in our society 
              should be actively involved in? 
            EA: 
              Ideally, everyone in society should be actively involved in fostering 
              human growth and development. We believe that mothers are important 
              voices in favor of a recalibration of the values of our society 
              because our work as mothers helps us see and understand in concrete 
              ways every day what it takes to help children flourish and what 
              it takes to nourish and develop human relationships. 
             MMO: 
              Are you calling for a return of mothers in the paid workforce 
              to the traditional role of unpaid caregiving in the home? 
            EA: 
              No. 
            I have been in the paid 
              workforce, I have worked at home full time with my children, I have 
              worked in the paid work force from home. I believe that mothers 
              should be free to make their own decisions about whether to stay 
              at home to care for their children or enter or stay in the paid 
              work force. 
            We must, however, find 
              concrete ways to honor and support mothers and enable mothers— 
              as well as fathers— to spend more time on the vital work of 
              caring for and nurturing children. 
            MMO: 
              The 
              Institute for American Values has a reputation for taking a conservative 
              line on family issues. Sociologist Scott Coltrane, who studies fatherhood 
              issues, has described the Institute’s founder, David Blakenhorn, 
              as a “defender of traditional fatherhood” who presents 
              “a clear picture of men’s limited capacity for direct 
              care, and not incidentally, their inherent suitability for leadership” 
              as the head of the family. This position conflicts with feminist 
              ideals for equality within marriage, since it implies the appropriateness 
              of male/dominant and female/subordinate roles within married couples 
              and a gendered division of caring labor. Is the Institute’s 
              ideology about fatherhood reflected in your conceptualization of 
              a motherhood movement? 
            EA: 
              Mr. 
              Coltrane is wrong. I know that David Blankenhorn believes in equality 
              within marriage. 
            The Call to a Motherhood 
              Movement expressly called for a movement “founded on 
              principles of equal dignity, regard, and responsibility between 
              men and women, mothers and fathers.” In any case, happily, 
              the Institute does not require those associated with it to think 
              in the same way or reach any particular conclusions. We think for 
              ourselves, and the Motherhood Project and the Mothers’ Council 
              develop their positions independent of the positions of other Institute 
              initiatives. 
             MMO: 
                The Institute also has a strong pro-marriage agenda. Maggie 
              Gallagher, author of The Case for Marriage and an Institute 
              associate, was interviewed for a recent report on the mothers’ 
              movement for the Congressional Quarterly Researcher (April 
              3, 2003). Gallagher was quoted as saying “the ‘gratitude’ 
              wives feel when their husbands’ earnings permit them to stay 
              a home is a crucial ingredient in the glue that keeps couples together 
              and produces strong families”. I was personally offended by 
              the tone of Gallagher’s remarks, which I interpreted as conservative 
              backlash against feminist attitudes about equality in marriage and 
              the legitimacy of diverse family forms. In any case, the reciprocal 
              ‘gratitude’ a husband feels for his wife’s contribution 
              of unpaid care work would presumably have an equally adhesive quality. 
              Is there any aspect of the Institute’s pro-marriage agenda 
              that informs the work of the Motherhood Project/Mother’s Council? 
              How do the needs and rights of single parent women and their children 
              fit into the Motherhood Project/Mother’s Council’s social agenda? 
            EA: 
              Again, 
              Institute affiliates are not required to agree with each other, 
              and in this case, I do not concur with Ms. Gallagher. 
            The Motherhood Project 
              and the Mothers’ Council develop positions for themselves, 
              independent of the positions taken by other Institute projects. 
            I personally happen to 
              believe (and a growing body of evidence supports the view) that 
              strong, healthy marriages are good for children. But I am intent 
              on sparking a mothers’ renaissance for all mothers. I am therefore 
              committed to making sure that the voices and concerns of single 
              mothers are included in all aspects of the work of the Project and 
              Council. 
            MMO: 
              What is the next step for your organization? What do you 
              hope to accomplish, and do you have a time frame? 
            EA: 
              Our 
              next major step is a national study of the attitudes, values, concerns, 
              and needs of mothers. 
            This comprehensive original 
              research study will enable us to listen to the voices of mothers, 
              who are, as author Naomi Wolf has put it, the “frontline” 
              workers for children. This study will provide much-needed insights 
              on the state of mind of mothers and the state of motherhood in the 
              United States today, and it will help inform the development of 
              both the mothers’ and the motherhood movements. 
            A major product of this 
              initiative will be a report to the nation which will include a discussion 
              guide to help deepen the national conversation and debate about 
              mothers, mothering, and motherhood. The report and discussion guide 
              will be widely disseminated and used to inform and inspire local 
              and national action aimed at increasing support for mothers and 
              the vital work that mothers do. 
            Current plans call for 
              the report to be released in 2005. 
            MMO: 
              If 
              there are mothers who are interested in supporting your current 
              projects or future ones, how can they become involved? 
            EA: Mothers are welcome 
              to contact us directly through our web site www.watchoutforchildren.org. 
               
            MMO : June 2003 
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